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Home / Futures Blog / Turner’s Take Podcast: What Phase One Could Mean For Soybeans

Turner’s Take Podcast: What Phase One Could Mean For Soybeans

December 18, 2019 by Craig Turner

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In today’s podcast we go over what Phase One could mean for soybean prices in 2020.  We think soybean exports go back to pre-trade war levels.  That means an extra 200 in exports for old crop and we could be at 2.1 billion exports for 2020-21.  We also go over what this extra demand can do for soybean acres and prices.  Make sure you take a listen to Turner’s Take Podcast!

Soybeans

Below is my updated Supply & Demand table for soybeans. I touched on this yesterday with the July/Nov spread but I wanted to use the podcast to really get into the numbers.  At the very least we see old crop soybean exports (2019-20) increasing 200mm bushels to 1.975 billion.  Some may think that is optimistic but China needs soybeans, we have soybeans, and they need to buy US ag products to keep the tariffs from coming back.

I think for 2020-21 we can go to almost 2.1 billion. China has not bought many soybeans for the 2020-21 year yet. I think a bulk of their buying will come back to the US for the next marketing year (Sep 1 2020 – Aug 31 2021).

If I’m right, and I think these are conservative numbers, then 2020-21 acres have to come up to at least 88 million.  Anything less with a trend line yield means ending stocks are below 300mm and close to a 7% stock/usage level.  I think old crop needs to go to $9.50 and new crop needs to test $10 get more soybean acres.

If soybeans are 88mm acres (at least) that means corn is 91mm at best.  For 2020-21, new crop corn acres of 91mm and a trend line of 178.5 means we produce a few million more bushels than we use and ending stocks are around 2.1 billion.  That is with ZERO demand from China.  Corn is more of a wild card in this Phase One trade deal.  Maybe China buys corn for ethanol, maybe they don’t.  I am a lot more confident in their demand for soybeans and I bet the funds are thinking the same thing.

Moral of the story is Phase One is supportive of the markets.  Breaks will most likely be bought as funds still need to cover a sizable short position. I doubt the funds want to be short heading into the signing of the agreement.  Make sure you take a listen to the podcast to get our in-depth thoughts on the trade deal.

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About Craig Turner

Craig Turner is a Senior Broker at Daniels Trading, author of Turner’s Take newsletter, and a Contributing Editor for Grain Analyst. Craig is often quoted in the Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Dow Jones Newswire, Corn & Soybean Digest, and also makes appearances on SiriusXM – Rural Radio Channel 80 providing commentary for the Grain and Livestock markets. Craig has also been featured in FutureSource’s Fast Break series, Futures Magazine Online, and INO.com. Mr. Turner has a Bachelors from the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) where he graduated with honors and has worked at the NYSE and Goldman Sachs. While at Goldman, Craig earned his MBA in the NYU Stern executive program. Learn more about Craig Turner.

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THIS MATERIAL IS CONVEYED AS A SOLICITATION FOR ENTERING INTO A DERIVATIVES TRANSACTION.

THIS MATERIAL HAS BEEN PREPARED BY A DANIELS TRADING BROKER WHO PROVIDES RESEARCH MARKET COMMENTARY AND TRADE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF HIS OR HER SOLICITATION FOR ACCOUNTS AND SOLICITATION FOR TRADES; HOWEVER, DANIELS TRADING DOES NOT MAINTAIN A RESEARCH DEPARTMENT AS DEFINED IN CFTC RULE 1.71. DANIELS TRADING, ITS PRINCIPALS, BROKERS AND EMPLOYEES MAY TRADE IN DERIVATIVES FOR THEIR OWN ACCOUNTS OR FOR THE ACCOUNTS OF OTHERS. DUE TO VARIOUS FACTORS (SUCH AS RISK TOLERANCE, MARGIN REQUIREMENTS, TRADING OBJECTIVES, SHORT TERM VS. LONG TERM STRATEGIES, TECHNICAL VS. FUNDAMENTAL MARKET ANALYSIS, AND OTHER FACTORS) SUCH TRADING MAY RESULT IN THE INITIATION OR LIQUIDATION OF POSITIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM OR CONTRARY TO THE OPINIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED THEREIN.

PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE. THE RISK OF LOSS IN TRADING FUTURES CONTRACTS OR COMMODITY OPTIONS CAN BE SUBSTANTIAL, AND THEREFORE INVESTORS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE RISKS INVOLVED IN TAKING LEVERAGED POSITIONS AND MUST ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH INVESTMENTS AND FOR THEIR RESULTS.

TRADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROFIT/LOSS CALCULATIONS MAY NOT INCLUDE COMMISSIONS AND FEES. PLEASE CONSULT YOUR BROKER FOR DETAILS BASED ON YOUR TRADING ARRANGEMENT AND COMMISSION SETUP.

YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER SUCH TRADING IS SUITABLE FOR YOU IN LIGHT OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES. YOU SHOULD READ THE "RISK DISCLOSURE" WEBPAGE ACCESSED AT WWW.DANIELSTRADING.COM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOMEPAGE. DANIELS TRADING IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH NOR DOES IT ENDORSE ANY TRADING SYSTEM, NEWSLETTER OR OTHER SIMILAR SERVICE. DANIELS TRADING DOES NOT GUARANTEE OR VERIFY ANY PERFORMANCE CLAIMS MADE BY SUCH SYSTEMS OR SERVICE.

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